Thursday, December 3, 2009

Second wind

Update on CIP Committee action after the jump
Barrett A Hurwitz has a letter in today's Standard Times about the Dartmouth wind turbine project. Mr. Hurwitz asks for a second opinion on the project engineering.
I find Mr. Hurwitz's argument for another engineering opinion unconvincing. The engineering of this project has been first rate. I am an engineer and have reviewed the submissions. I have been impressed with the thoroughness and conservative approach taken by Atlantic Design. Dr. Friedman of the Finance Committee and Dr. DiPippo of the Alternative Energy Committee are also highly trained engineers and they have not found any fault with the submissions. Engineering is not an art. It is the application of science to real world problems. Science and mathematics are used to reach conclusions which are not based on opinion but upon data and natural laws of physics and materials.
Mr. Hurwitz goes on to assert the engineers and the Alternative Energy Committee (AEC) are unconcerned about potential impacts upon residents. That is far from the truth. The turbine bylaw specifically requires that noise and flicker impacts be quantified in the permit application. That has been done. The noise from the installation is so low as to be negligible. Shadow flicker effects occur only briefly during the day when the sun is low on the horizon at dawn and dusk. The predicted effects for the Dartmouth project also do not take into account the masking effect of trees and other obstructions. The predicted effect is that which would occur on a barren landscape. The actual effects will be reduced by the forest that surrounds these sites. Additionally AEC members have repeatedly assured the public that adverse effects can and will be mitigated at individual residences.
Mr. Hurwitz, citing unnamed sources, claims that turbines should not be located within 3000 feet of residences. I can cite examples of many wind turbines located much closer than that. Mass Maritime and Portsmouth Abbey have a turbine ...

... in the middle of their campuses. Hull's wind turbine is next to their high school, as is the turbine in Portsmouth. There is a wind turbine standing adjacent to Route I93 entering Boston. All are within a few hundred feet of residences at most.
Mr. Hurwitz is correct that the standard installation for 1.65 wind turbines is atop an 80 meter tower. The 100 meter tower was selected based upon the location and wind data. The added height provides better wind and more capacity. Wind turbine manufacturers make towers much taller than 100 meters for larger machines. The taller towers are proven technology.
Mr. Hurwitz's final argument is one which has to be considered. Are wind turbines an unsightly blight upon the landscape? In this case, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think that the turbines are stately and majestic. Mr. Hurwitz does not.
But there are other factors to consider besides aesthetics, just as in the trimming of trees. In trimming trees, one must balance the need to have uninterrupted electric service and the pruning of trees to allow that. In the wind turbine case, we must weigh the benefits; lowered costs to the town for energy and production of clean renewable energy that reduces greenhouse gas emissions and our country's reliance on foreign and hostile energy producers against brief shadow flicker events and the feeling of some that the installation is unattractive.
I think that the shadow flicker can and will be mitigated. The aesthetics are a personal preference but there must be trade offs as in the case of phone poles, water and cell towers, highways, and other necessities of modern life.
UPDATE: The Capital Improvement Planning Committee has voted to recommend the funding of the wind turbine project

25 comments:

Greg Lynam said...

Very well stated, Bill.

Anonymous said...

If the AEC cared about these residents they would make some kind of arrangements to pay the residents who will be hit with the shadow flicker -strobe lights flashing through their windows .

There are too many different stories about these wind turbines the heigth of the Statue of Liberty . There are those that say sailors will be able to use these as maritime markers .

This blog singles out a private citizen ,Barrett A Hurwitz, who is a hero !

Its time for the residents of Dartmouth to speak up ,go to the meeting let them know how you feel!

Lets bring national attention to the setbacks, noise,shadow flicker and residential property rights .

The Town needs a bond to insure against a class action litigation in this project !

Anonymous said...

Many of us only have the equity in our homes as a savings account. We do not have big bank accounts or large stock holdings .

Pleae don't do this to our homes.

frank1 said...

Residents fighting plans to build two wind turbines near their homes have been told the giant structures would be more than 430ft high.

These things are going to be visible from 20 miles away.

They are reported to emit constant low-frequency noise, and have been know to hurl broken rotor blades weighing up to 1.5 tons as far as a quarter of a mile through the air when they break down.

Education is our main priority now, because I don't think that people really understand the magnitude of what they are up against.

Bill Trimble said...

Frank1, would you please cite the source of the information that you provided? Apparently you have an exclusive since the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, State of Rhode Island, Mass Maritime Academy and Portsmouth Abbey do not share your concern. Perhaps they are not as well informed. Where does this information come from?

Anonymous said...

The man who wrote the letter is a lawyer.

Anonymous said...

Residents need to be concerned about their exposure to liability that may result from the placement of wind turbines and related structures and equipment near their property. Personal and home liability policies likely will not cover incidents that occur related to construction and operation of a wind energy project. Will the Town of Dartmouth carry a bond or insure in writing against property and personal damage of the 400 plus homes in the vicinity ?

Anonymous said...

Bill - we just have to connect something to frank1's keyboard that converts keystrokes to kilowatts and we'll be all set.

Anonymous said...

That last comment On Frank1's keyboard ---- priceless.

Anonymous said...

The residents of Dartmouth are proud to be a historic town with modern wind turbines. The SB and the AEC are looking out for our best interest. We can be a town with no electric bills in a few short years !

UMass Dartmouth has a wind-test tower between the library and Cedar Dell testing the feasibility of a wind turbine. Umass Dartmouth will install several 1.65 MW turbines in addition to a 1.5 or larger on a farm in Dartmouth . The overall snapshot of Dartmouth is a renewable energy town . This looks like what UMass , the state and residents voted ,the studies prove it and have been concluded .We'll see how the property values look in a couple of years . How much will our homes be worth with no electric bills .This is a good deal .

The overall outlook for Dartmouth right now is 5 large commercial wind turbines and a by-law in place to support them and the support of the SB . Look at the bright side! No bills !

Anonymous said...

The turbine at Portsmouth Abbey has been there for some time now. People that I know who live near there, have had no issues with it other than it is large and visible from a distance. I have asked about lightning strikes, as they can be an issue. Ergo, the considerable grounding technology that is typically incorporated into these things. Still, as before, I have heard no complaints about that issue either. From my perspective, some people who live in the area might not want them near their property. However, the upside to the community far outweighs that aesthetic issue.

frank1 said...

This question is to any of the engineering experts, study group, AEC and or the SB.

The Vestas V-82 or AAER 1.65 wind turbines have about the same specifications. The question to all or any of the experts is how far can a wind turbine blade fly from the turbine given a worst case scenario. Please do the math.

These are the speeds and data for the formula:

Height of the narcel is 100 M 40 inches = 1M

Ground wind speed is around 40 miles per hour at 300 feet

Brakes are not on

Outside tip speed of the blade is 180 miles per hour (max speed)
(tip is the farthest point from the narcel)

The blade weight 1.5 tons (3000 pounds)

In a worst case accident the entire blade breaks free from the narcel at the highest point in its 360 degree arc. How far will the blade travel at the optimum speed of the turbine? This is a good question to bring to the engineering students at UMass.

If this question cannot be answered responsibly then a second independent engineering firm needs to advise the town and the homeowners on the safety and setbacks. The problem is all you will get is sequitur from the so-called experts.

Anonymous said...

IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL NOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION !

WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE A 1.5 BLADE CAN TRAVEL FROM A WIND TURBINE?

AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION IS A LIABILITY QUESTION AND AN END OF THE PROJECT.

Anonymous said...

Please answer this question? Is there any circumstance where you would allow a wind turbine to be built?

Anonymous said...

Progress in Dartmouth has, unfortunately, always been a difficult issue. Negativity and self centered special interests have long handicapped this community. Why don't the people who qualify for these issues simply put forth their own personal agendas on this? How much are you looking to "milk the town" for?

Anonymous said...

Everyone, including those on this blog, have an agenda. The school agenda, the "work for everyone in the town" agenda. These people hide under the work for everyone banner, but ask them if they supported the meals tax. No, they overwhelming support anti-government, which is just as much of an agenda as the turbine, anti-turbine, school, anti-school, you name it. Again, don't crtize people for having an agenda. We all have an agenda of some kind.

frank1 said...

A turbine blade can break, resulting in blade throw due to improper design, improper manufacturing, improper installation, wind gusts that exceed the maximum design load of the turbine structure, impact with cranes or towers, or lightning. The distance a blade piece can be thrown from a turbine depends on its mass, shape, speed at the time it breaks from the machine, the orientation of the blade at the time of the throw, and the wind speed at the time.The engineers refuse to answer this question in the Dartmouth wind turbine project .
This question could put a final nail in the project without a reasonable response.

# Reference -Gates Wind Project

Anonymous said...

Ricketson's Point, Mishaum Point, Salter's Point, Round Hill. Any of these locations feasible??!!

Anonymous said...

AAER Announces Filing Delay of Interim Financial Statements Pending Potential Financing
MONTREAL, December 1, 2009 – AAER Inc. (TSX-V: AAE) (the “Company”), Canada’s only original equipment manufacturer of wind turbines of one megawatt (“MW”) and more, announces that its interim financial statements for the three and nine-month periods ended September 30, 2009, together with its Management’s Discussion and Analysis, and Form 52-109F2 were not filed on November 30, 2009 as required pursuant to applicable Securities laws. The Company is currently in final discussions with regards to a potential financing, and will release the Financial Statements once final terms on the financing have been reached.

Anonymous said...

It looks like a Select Board member has put it in writing that they will shut down the turbines for shadow flicker and the shutdowns are included in the feasability studies .Here's todays paper:

"At any rate, shadow flicker would not be a problem for any of the houses on Chase Road since the chairman of the Alternative Energy Committee has assured us that wind turbines would simply be shut down during any time periods shadow flicker would otherwise be a problem for anyone."

Edward Kurtz

Dartmouth



Dec 7 ,2009



http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091207/OPINION/912070307

Anonymous said...

I don't think this guy is a SB member.

The newspaper should put his affiliation with the wind turbines or what exactley is Eds interest in these two turbines and why the big hurry . Does he own stock in the wind turbine company ?

Anonymous said...

The Dartmouth SB is on an acid trip if they think the residents of Dartmouth believe the AEC will shut down these turbines if the shadow flicker affects any homes. The fact that anyone has to write a letter to tell people there is no dark side to this project brings forward just that ! When this shadow flicker slams into these residents windows it will be the same old finger pointing . No one takes the blame ,the engineering company said it wouldn't happen ,the AEC is no longer a committee, the SB was told by the AEC it was OK etc..............on and on

Anonymous said...

Is this Ed Kurtz ?

Mr. Edward Kurtz (12/31/10)
Engineering Consultant
70 High Street
South Dartmouth, MA 02748
(H) 508-993-8932
TEDKURTZ@COMCAST.net

Anonymous said...

Do any of you think it is a coincidence that the turbine location is not near ANY selectboard member's home? Do you think it's coincidence that the AEC selected the site, and it'snot not near any of their homes either?
The names are all in public records, look it up!

(With the exception of Mr Larrivee who MAY live close enough to see the effects but that is debatable.)

Anonymous said...

Mr. Larivee is a big supporter of this project because he has two small turbines on his property. That is his choice, and if he goes to sell his property and the buyer interested in his property doesn't like them, he can take them down and the buyer would be happy, and Mr. Larivee's property value would remain the same. NOT SO for the residents who have NO CHOICE on the COMMERCIAL turbines in their neighborhood! The value of their property and the quality of their lives goes down with no recourse. They just lose all they've worked so hard for all their lives because others feel they can impose on them. To take away their rights and well being in the name of "progress" is wrong. People who feel it is OK to do this are narrow minded as the more people are effected then there is no progress. It's actually regression! How would the proponents of this project like other residents to come into their homes and take from them all they worked for and then take that and give it to "some" they believe are deserving? This is no longer a democracy it's socialism/communism clouded by using the term "Green"!