Wednesday, August 19, 2009

Mr. Frank at the COA

Our Congressman, Mr. Barney Frank, spoke last night at a meeting of the Democratic Town Committee. The Council on Aging hall was the venue and it was packed with people. The crowd overwhelmed the air conditioning on a hot night. The heat was not contained to the room temperature as some participants were visibly angry with the Congressman. Unfortunately, some who attended were raucous and disrespectful of common courtesy throughout the evening, hooting and shouting while the Congressman was trying to speak. Apparently Lyndon Larouche supporters turned out in force and peppered the representative with inane questions about the legality of the Federal Reserve system. One young woman even accused the Congressman of supporting a Nazi agenda! Mr. Frank, who is Jewish, took some understandable umbrage at the characterization. Throughout the evening, some of those in the room interrupted Mr. Frank's answers but the Congressman maintained a relatively calm demeanor. Some of the items that he answered questions about included:

-His thoughts on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and their regulation (He sheparded legislation through which increased oversight after 2007 when Democrats controlled the House)
-That illegal immigrants will not be covered by the proposed health care reform bill (He quoted the section which disallows those not legally in the country from participating)
-That the bill provides for payment to health care providers for voluntary end of life counseling not "death panels".
-That the public option was an important component of the reform to control costs and would not be subsidized by taxpayers but would have to compete on its own with the revenue from premiums (Mr. Frank noted that it was inconsistent to maintain that the government can't efficiently run a health care program and to also claim that people would flock to the public option.)

More after the jump

-That he is covered by a government single payer system that he likes (Mr. Frank is 69 years old and is covered by Medicare)
-That the additional coverage of the nearly 50 million people under the new plan would not lead to rationing of care to those now covered (He noted that those without health insurance are treated now but in the most inefficient and costly place, emergency rooms. He felt that more nurses and doctors should be trained and that the bill has provisions to encourage that)
-That the program would be paid for from additional taxes and savings within the system (He cited loopholes which allow corporations to claim profits offshore, a reduction in the amount of deduction allowed for those making more than $325,000, savings through more efficient delivery of services, concessions from insurance and pharmaceutical companies)
-That he favors a single payer system but there are not the votes to pass that

On other issues, Mr. Frank stated his opposition to our continued presence in Iraq.
He is working on legislation to establish a financial services consumer protection agency that would take over some functions now left to the Federal Reserve.
The forum was televised by DCTV channel 18. They may rerun it at some point but I could not find it on their listings.

34 comments:

Ray Medeiros,Jr said...

I want to be able to thank everyone who came out that night. I understand that it was a heated debate, and I encourage debate. Luckily we only had one minor incident in the beginning, where I had to control a "group" that was organize by the Larouche PAC. I believe the night went pretty smoothly and I hope your questions were ansered even if you didnt agree with the answers given. thank you everyone again for being as respectful and cordial as we could.

Anonymous said...

I have to disagree with you Bill. Barney Frank was arrogant and disrespectful. Granted the group was angry but they have every right to be. If you choose to enter into politics, you must be willing to be confronted by angry and critical citizens. You in turn should respond with dignity and class. Barney Frank has neither.

Anonymous said...

Let me be perfectly clear. I do not approve of the tactics being used in opposition to health care reform. The socialism, Nazi comparisons are ridiculous. However, people are angry with their government and there is no trust because it has not been earned. Citizens have the right to voice their opinions whether public officials like them or not.
Gee Ray, thanks for controlling that "group". From what I could see there was no threat or possibility of violence until you decided to take control. Lucky for you it did not end badly considering you would have been the catalyst.

Anonymous said...

Frank is a bozo and he must go.

Ray Medeiros,Jr said...

I guess you also didnt see the older people seated next to him gesturing me to dissolve the issue. He was from the Lyndon Larouche PAC, they are designed to obstruct the meeting. the kid was sitting on the floor in the middle of the aisle meant for people with questions raising the nazi Obama picture after I explicitely told everyone that signs were not allowed inside the meeting room.
He was obstruct the aisle to create a problem he needed to go. ..you know if I didn't do anything and something escalated you would probably complain that I lost control of my meeting.

Ray Medeiros,Jr said...

that kid was at the COA at 3:30 seated next to the door singing obscene songs to his own tune as people walked and calling people fascists. I knew this kid would be an issue and I needed to remove him immediately,especially since those who legitimately came there with their own concerns were worried about this particular kid. He added nothing to the discussion or debate and he and his "group" were just there to cause trouble.

Ray Medeiros,Jr said...

if you didnt see anything you probably werent paying attention to him. You were probably doing what everyone else came there to do and hear the congressman and ask a question, unlike the Lyndon Larouche PAC who are just there to create trouble. feel free to come to our next meeting at the southworth library on Sept 15th and discuss this past meeting further. it starts at 6:30

JOE M said...

If you think for one second Ray was going to allow this type extremist group to disrupt his meeting,you have got to be crazy.
I was there and saw the entire episode unfold, that kid was looking for trouble I am glad ray handled him the way he did and imagine nothing evolved from it but imagine what could have happened if he didnt intervene.

Anonymous said...

Weren't there police there? Why if there was such a problem didn't the police handle the situation.

Anonymous said...

Whether you like it or not, those people were excercising their constitutional rights. They have the right to express their opinions and attend a public meeting. Although I don't agree with their views or behavior, I respect their rights. I saw nothing that would lead me to believe there was going to be trouble if Ray Medeiros didn't intervene. If this person or group was truly creating such a disturbance, why didn't the police step in or why didn't you notify the police Ray? By the way, it was a public meeting Ray, not your meeting.

longtime resident said...

Thank you to Barney Frank for coming to Dartmouth to answer questions about health care. I only wish Dartmouth residents and the Democratic Com. had the chance to ask questions first, after all, they invited him here. After their questions were answered, the people from Newton and Mars could have asked their questions. I love Barney Frank and think he did a great job with all the wackos he had to deal with. You gotta love democracy!

Anonymous said...

When you've been a politician as long as he has, you should have learned long ago how to maintain your cool. Arrogance, like another political family who seems to think it is above it all.

Maybe there ought to be some sort of class instruction like "Humility and Class in Professional/Political Situations" given to those who seek office.

Come to think of it, some in Dartmouth could use the same course.

Ray Medeiros,Jr said...

The police were in the area but not in the building. When the incident with the kid from Larouche happened I asked Brock to please call them in from outside, but the congressman didn't want that to happen. About 15 minutes later our police officers did come in. As for this being a public meeting, you are correct I invited the public to come but just as in town hall during a selctman's meeting or at beacon hill or any other legitimate governmental or political meeting, if a group decides to try and be disruptive which this group is meant to be I as chairman still have the authority to remove them. If you notice, I didnt have a problem with anybody else even if you were yelling or booing, that is your constitutional right. I tried to subdue the booing after about 5 seconds in order to be fair to those who were waiting in line to ask questions.

Anonymous said...

Under the extreme circumstances that this meeting was held i dont think anybody whether your chairman of the selectboard,finance committee,plannig board would be able to handle that hoopla of a meeting. I think Ray was extremely fair in letting everyone get their time at the microphone and express their concerns. He cut the mic after one question and tried to move to the next person in line. Other than that small incident in the beginning of the meeting,it was a forceful meeting but no trouble. I was their early and I was personally concerned about that kid. he was looking for trouble....bottom line. I even heard the "nazi question girl" was from California and her last name is Brown. So if you think Ray didnt have legitimate reason since the beginning to be concerne you have condoned this extremist group and their acts of being disruptive.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Medeiros did a great job as did our congressman, Barney Frank. I do not think that he was arrogant; he was certainly very patient in dealing with those rude, insulting LaRoche people who came so early and took up many of the seats. They came for one reason only: to not allow mr Frank his right to speak under our first amendment. They were crazed and disrespectful. One of them told a woman physician to go fuck herself. As I left, one of them put a piece of literature not to inches from my eyes so that I had to stop dead in my tracks and ask him to remove it. Yes, this is a democracy for all, not just for them. Mr. Frank, a Jew, was accued of being a Nazi several times. I am ashamed that he had to endure such misbehavior in my town. He handled himself so well. He did not allow that disruptive young man to be thrown out; he wanted so badly to inform us that he stayed an extra 40 minutes. Is that arrogance? Absolutely not! That is serving the people.

Ray Medeiros,Jr said...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/08/town_hall_talk_frank_grills_op.html

Ray Medeiros,Jr said...

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/11494

Anonymous said...

Ray what you don't seem to get is you do not have the authority/right to physically confront anyone. That is a job for the proper authorities. If you cannot understand that simple concept then you should not be chairing anything.

Ray Medeiros,Jr said...

I have every authority under Chapter 39 sec 23 (C)

Chapter 39: Section 23C. Regulation of participation by public in open meetings
Section 23C. No person shall address a public meeting of a governmental body without permission of the presiding officer at such meeting, and all persons shall, at the request of such presiding officer, be silent. If, after warning from the presiding officer, a person persists in disorderly behavior, said officer may order him to withdraw from the meeting, and, if he does not withdraw, may order a constable or any other person to remove him and confine him in some convenient place until the meeting is adjourned.

dartmouth resident said...

WOW! good job ray! I wonder if the anon above is in charge of any of our boards in town...I sure hope not. Thank you Ray for everything you put together Tues. You handled yourself well..probably better than most chairman in our town under those extrenuous circumstances.

Anonymous said...

here's another simple concept...open mouth insert foot anon!!! i hope you dont chair anything in our town...well you probably do..explains alot! Good job doing your legal homework, Ray!

Anonymous said...

I sure hope we don't have larouche members living in Dartmouth, it seems we may alot of people followed their lead like sheep

Anonymous said...

No person shall address a public meeting of a governmental body without permission of the presiding officer at such meeting,

Exactly what government body was holding a meeting? Was it an elected committee? Was it a house or senate meeting? Was it a commission meeting? NO NO AND NO.

The Dartmouth Democratic Party is NOT a Governmental body, thus YOU had NO right to throw anyone out.

One Congressman holding a town meeting is not a governmental body, as much as you want it to be it was not, it was a town hall, which is described in the law you quoted. ( see below) IF I was that "kid" as you called him I would sue you and the Dartmouth Democratic Party. Then I would sue the Democratic Party as they are responsible for your illegal actions.

“Governmental body”, every board, commission, committee or subcommittee of any district,
city, region or town, however elected, appointed or otherwise constituted, and the governing board of
a local housing, redevelopment or similar authority; provided, however, that this definition shall NOT
include a town meeting.

So Ray, ready for a lawsuit for violating the "kids" rights?

Anonymous said...

If you are a Governmental body did you follow this law???


Except in an emergency, a notice of every meeting of any governmental body shall be filed with the clerk of the city or town in which the body acts, and the notice or a copy thereof shall, at least forty-eight hours, including Saturdays but not Sundays and legal holidays, prior to such meeting, be publicly posted in the office of such clerk or on the principal official bulletin board of such city or town.

I was at town hall and saw no such notice. I saw fliers posted but not an official notice.

So Ray, the question is.. are you or are you not a Governmental Body. Either way you broke a law.

Anonymous said...

A governmental body shall maintain accurate records of its meetings, setting forth the date, time, place, members present or absent and action taken at each meeting, including executive sessions. The records of each meeting shall become a public record and be available to the public; provided, however, that the records of any executive session may remain secret as long as publication may defeat the lawful purposes of the executive session, but no longer. All votes taken in executive sessions shall be recorded roll call votes and shall become a part of the record of said executive sessions. No votes taken in open session shall be by secret ballot.

Did you do that???

Upon qualification for office following an appointment or election to a governmental body, as defined in this section, the member shall be furnished by the city or town clerk with a copy of this section. Each such member shall sign a written acknowledgment that he has been provided with such a copy.

Did that happen?


Upon proof of failure by any governmental body or by any member or officer thereof to carry out any of the provisions for public notice or meetings, for holding open meetings, or for maintaining public records thereof, any justice of the supreme judicial court or the superior court sitting within and for the county in which such governmental body acts shall issue an appropriate order requiring such governmental body or member or officer thereof to carry out such provisions at future meetings. Such order may be sought by complaint of three or more registered voters, by the attorney general, or by the district attorney of the county in which the city or town is located.

Tough questions, I don't expect an answer. Perhaps you could use the old..... My lawyer has advised me not to comment on pending litigation line.

Ray Medeiros,Jr said...

In order for me to address you properly I really wish you would reveal yourself, but thats besides the point. To answer your question about elected committee...#1 yes I was elected and so were the rest of my committee members. This happens every four years parrallel to the presidential primaries(IE Democratic primary). Thus yes we are an elected body, elected by Registered Dartmouth Democrats.

#2 The congressman DID NOT hold a town meeting, he was a GUEST of the Dartmouth Democratic Town Committee in which I invited the public to attend. (PUBLIC SERVICE)

#3 so sir, lets go over your accusations...the Dartmouth Democratic Town Committee is not a governmental body...false(we were elected by the registered Democrats during presidetial primaries.
So would you like to withdraw your remarks? thank you

Ray Medeiros,Jr said...

Going on......Go to town hall and ask for the records of the open meeting law form for us on that date and prior also...i filed it approx. month ago. My secretary keeps minutes please contact me if you would like a copy. I have them all on file by date.

I believe it is common courtesy for the accused to KNOW the accuser...I will no long continue dialoque with anonymous Bloggers when they specifically target me or my committee. thank you

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Anonymous said...

Anon. your writting on this blog and you didnt check the town meeting link...WOW! I really hope to God you are not in charge of anything in this town, because you should know this law. As far as I'm concerned if you decide to bring the Democratic Town Committee to court EVERYONE will know who you are, and you will lose all credibility in this town.

Dartmouth resident said...

hey, you should do some research before you go around and threatening a law suit. Ray's not a lawyer and he understands his legal role and accountability and responsibility.
He did his due diligence, maybe you should follow his lead.

Ray...you probably already know who this is, he's been going around town gossiping about you for a while. it's ashame

B FRANK said...

having a conversation with an anonymuos blogger is like argueing with a Dining Room table, nobody should have an interst in doing it

Anonymous said...

If anyone is looking for an example on how to organize and lead something, look to mr. Mederios, he single handedly organized every aspect of that meeting, from coordinating press to international news stations and made Dartmouth the political center of American politics and policy. He literally organized the largest event in Dartmouth history.

Anonymous said...

To the anonymous making vague remarks. you sound like you know your stuff and you must be French cause you have no backbone to ID yourself you are probably a lawyer too

Anonymous said...

alls quiet on this front