Charley on the MTA has a post on Blue Mass Group listing 8 proposed consumer protections endorsed by the President as part of health care reform.
Are there any on the list that you think should be removed?
Maybe this one? No Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill
Or this? No Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays
Take a look at the list and see if ...
... there is a problem with one of the items and then tell us why it should not be enacted.
Tuesday, August 4, 2009
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Who defines exorbinant? Is a $20 co-pay too much? Some would say yes. Some would say $10 is too much. Why not eliminate co-pays altogether.
Since when is a child defined as someone under 26 years of age? Nuts. Absolutely nuts.
Make it all free for everyone. Why pay money at all? Why work at all? Why not just assume someone else will take care of it? Yeah I like that. And all those money grubbing doctors, and insurance agents can do it for free too. Yeah that's the ticket.
Where's my check?
"Extended Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26."
There is a vast difference between "children" and "young adults," and it is not just age. If you are no longer a minor at age 18, then you should not have coverage under the guise of "children" under family coverage. At 18, you can go to war, among other "adult" things. Please let's not encourage our future generations to rely on mom and dad more than many of them do now as young adults, many who are still living at home, working or not. From 18 to 26, start taking the responsibilities of the adult society claims you are.
Talk about enabling! Who's crazy here??
Democratic Leaders Block 31 Common-Sense Changes to Health Care Bill Bill why would they do this?
Rep. Phil Gingrey, M.D. (R-GA) offered an amendment in the Energy & Commerce Committee to bar federal political appointees and bureaucrats from intervening in patient treatment decisions. The Gingrey amendment would have ensured patients and doctors remain as the sole individuals responsible for making these critical decisions. Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) led Democrats in opposition to the amendment, which was defeated.
- Require all Members of Congress to get their health insurance through the proposed government-run plan. Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV) offered an amendment in the Ways & Means Committee that would have required Members of Congress to enroll immediately in the government-run health plan that would be established under the Democratic bill.
Establish a $1 trillion deficit cap
Protect Americans from “hurry up and wait.” Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) offered an amendment that would repeal the government-run health plan if wait times exceed the average wait times in private plans. The Brady amendment was killed at the behest of Speaker Pelosi and Chairman Rangel.
Suspend the job-killing employer mandate if the national unemployment rate reaches 10 percent.
Waive the employer mandate if it will cause layoffs, worker salary cuts, or reductions in hiring
Protect employers from unfair taxation. Under the Democratic bill as written, if an employer offers qualifying health care coverage but an employee rejects it for any reason, the employer can still be slapped with an 8 percent tax on the value of that employee’s wages as a result of the job-killing employer mandate in the bill.
Keep unnecessary lawsuits from driving up health costs. Under the Democratic bill, Americans would be required to obtain their health care through a “national health insurance exchange” that is limited to “qualified” providers. In the Ways & Means Committee, Rep. John Linder (R-GA) offered an amendment that would keep the so-called exchange from operating in states that do not have reasonable limits on lawsuits relating to medical care. Unnecessary lawsuits have long been identified as one of the primary factors in rising health costs nationwide. Rep. Glenn Thompson (R-PA) offered a similar amendment in the Education & Labor Committee that would prevent the creation of the so-called “exchange.” Both the Linder and Thompson amendments were killed at the behest of Speaker Pelosi.
- Prevent taxpayer-funded health benefits from going to illegal immigrants
- Prevent taxpayer funding of abortion
the rest can be seen here. http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=139708
More than 70 percent of German, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and British adults say their health system needs either “fundamental change” or “complete rebuilding.”
Gosh Bill, More than in the U.S.
When asked about their own health care instead of the “health care system,” more than half of Americans (51.3 percent) are very satisfied with their health care services, compared with only 41.5 percent of Canadians; a lower proportion of Americans are dissatisfied (6.8 percent) than Canadians (8.5 percent).
The top five U.S. hospitals conduct more clinical trials than all the hospitals in any other developed country. Since the mid- 1970s, the Nobel Prize in medicine or physiology has gone to U.S. residents more often than recipients from all other countries combined. In only five of the past thirty-four years did a scientist living in the United States not win or share in the prize. Most important recent medical innovations were developed in the United States.
Despite serious challenges, such as escalating costs and care for the uninsured, the U.S. health care system compares favorably to those in other developed countries.
Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the United Kingdom and 457 percent higher in Norway. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher.
Breast cancer mortality in Canada is 9 percent higher than in the United States, prostate cancer is 184 percent higher, and colon cancer among men is about 10 percent higher.
Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long—sometimes more than a year—to see a specialist, have elective surgery such as hip replacements, or get radiation treatment for cancer. All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. In Britain, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.
Still want socialized care Bill? We are doing pretty good just the way things are. We can do better, but not a government run system.
Bill,
Obama and the White House are more scary than you know. This is from the White House website.
There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.
SOOOOOOO Barak Obama wants citizens to report casual conversations and blogs directly to the White House if they challenge his power or idea???????????? Can ANYONE say HITLER!!!!!!!!
This is the single scariest thing I have seen in my lifetime. We are in HUGE trouble. It's not just socialism, Obama wants, he wants complete power, this is more invasive than Bush's wiretapping plan, which by the way Obama has NOT stopped.
When average citizens report to the White House about casual conversations the Government has gone too far. Maybe we can print all the blogs that disagree with Obama and burn them in town centers.
Yes, trying to get the truth out and dispel myths is very scary indeed. Were you around when the Bush admin. lied repeatedly? Did you care then?
When the government asks citizens to report casual conversations directly to the white house, we are not living in a FREE society.
For the record, I called Bush on his lying too. Not all of us are blinded by party lines. I am a true independent.
This is wrong, no matter which side you root for. I root for a free United States.
When our government secretly listens to our phones and gathers our records, throws citizens in jail for years without charge, that is concerning too. Did you hear the outcry while Bush Cheney did this?
Did you hear the outcry while Bush Cheney did this?
Obama is still doing it, and still no cries. so what is the point there?
When our government secretly listens to our phones and gathers our records, throws citizens in jail for years without charge
which citizen was thrown in jail for years without being charged? Are you speaking of enemy combatants or American citizens?
As far as I know there are no citizens in jail without charges.
Jose Padilla, American citizen, Arrested in Chicago, Held over five years without charge and three years almost incognito.
Padilla was arrested in Chicago on May 8, 2002, and was detained as a material witness until June 9, 2002, when President George W. Bush designated him an illegal enemy combatant and transferred him to a military prison, arguing that he was thereby not entitled to trial in civilian courts. Padilla was held for three-and-a-half years as an "enemy combatant" after his arrest in 2002 on suspicion of plotting a radioactive "dirty bomb" attack. That charge was dropped and his case was moved to a civilian court after pressure from civil liberties groups.
Seems he was both a citizen and illegal enemy combatant. Got any others, surely out of 300,000,000 people you can find someone.
What gives the President the right to designate an American citizen arrested on American soil as an enemy combatant? Has any law defined enemy combatant? Are you an enemy combatant? Am I? How does that suspend your rights under the Constitution? This action was and is a clear violation of the 5th, 6th and 8th Amendments. The government abused the poor man as well, subjecting him to sensory deprivation, stress positions, and the favorite tactic of the KGB, sleep deprivation. All this was done to an American citizen, arrested in Chicago, without a hearing or trial, without contact with or access to legal representation. If that doesn't scare the hell out of you, but an email to the White House does, I have no more to say.
Guys who are trying to detonate dirty bombs in American cities should be dealt with like the terrorists they are.
On September 9, 2005, a three-judge panel of the Fourth Circuit ruled that President Bush had the authority to detain Padilla without charges, in an opinion written by judge J. Michael Luttig. In the ruling, Luttig cited the joint resolution by Congress authorizing military action following the September 11, 2001 attacks, as well as the June 2004 ruling concerning Yaser Hamdi.
Good say no more. IF you want to cry for an man (American or not) who was trying to explode a dirty bomb, feel free. Do not expect me to coddle or feel sorry for him. He is a terrorist, nothing more.
He had been living in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq prior to being arrested. It's not like he was at a cubs game and got grabbed.
Please do a little research.
The government NEVER brought forward any proof to substantiate their claim that this man was a terrorist. This was all done without affording him a trial. If you're OK with that I'll see you in the camps.
Why doens't the Republican party EVER intiate reform?...the health care system is in need of reform..Both parties agree...But the Republicans would never have stepped up and tried reform if the Democrats didn't try to do it first
If you search for the recent articles on Andrews and Gagne in the Standard Times, you will find the message that the page "can not be found."
Why doens't the Republican party EVER intiate reform?.
Bush tried to make reforms to medicare.medicaid and fought the Democrats at every turn. You have a short memory.
Speaking at DAR Constitution Hall in Washington, Bush characterized the measure as "the greatest advance in health care coverage for America's seniors since the founding of Medicare."
Backers say the $400 billion Medicare Prescription Drug Modernization Act will provide much-needed help for the nation's 40 million senior citizens to buy medications; critics say it is a giveaway to drug makers and insurance companies and a prelude to the dismantling of the program. (Interactive: Prescription coverage)
"Our government," Bush said, "is finally bringing prescription drug coverage to the seniors of America."
In addition to the prescription drug benefits, the measure provides billions of dollars in subsidies to insurance companies and health maintenance organizations, and takes the first step toward allowing private plans to compete with Medicare. (Interactive: Prescription for change)
Or this bill the President tried to pass but was blocked by Dems....
The President's plan includes two parts: reforming the tax code with a standard deduction for health insurance so all Americans get the same tax breaks for health insurance and helping states make affordable private health insurance available to their citizens.
Anon 9:52. How many of those Canadians or Germans etc. aspire to our system? Not many I would guess. My sister is a German citizen and loves her healthcare, having spent time in both countries. No system is perfect, bu to ignore the needs of the millions of uninsured is not admirable.
You are blaming Democrats...the republicans had the majority during Dubya's presidency.
Notice: susidize private insurance...My God..they don't make enough?..ONLY TWO things in this world should be non-profit WAR and HEALTH...the end result in BOTH is DEATH...and Republicans have made BOTH profitable..(BLACKWATER and Private INSURANCE)
Both parties agree that something needs to be done to health insurance...Why didn't the republicans do something from 2001 to NOW...now they are coming out with legislation...what about 6 years ago?
You are blaming Democrats...the republicans had the majority during Dubya's presidency.
I know if you search your memory you will hear the term Filibuster. Unless one side has 60 Senators, (which the dems now do) a filibuster kills a bill by refusing to allow a vote. The minority (the dems) during Bush's Presidency filibustered his attempts to overhaul health care. The republicans did the same with Clintons healthcare proposals, before it was finally allowed a vote and lost.
Please please please, a little education goes a long way.
A filibuster, or "talking out a bill", is a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body. An attempt is made to extend indefinitely a debate upon a proposal in order to delay the progress or completely prevent a vote on the proposal taking place.
Both parties agree that something needs to be done to health insurance...Why didn't the republicans do something from 2001 to NOW...now they are coming out with legislation...what about 6 years ago?
READ ABOVE, THE REPUBLICANS TRIED AND WERE BLOCKED BY THE DEMOCRATS. NOT TO MENTION THERE WERE A FEW MORE PRESSING ISSUES AT THE TIME LIKE 9-11 AND TERRORISTS.
Public option critics need to look at this..if you think private insurance is looking out FOR YOU
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090806/LIFE/908060314
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/health-plan.htm
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.
On the last day, Jesus will say to those on His right hand, "Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me." Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, "Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me." These will ask Him, "When did we see You hungry, or thirsty or sick and did not come to Your help?" And Jesus will answer them, "Whatever you neglected to do unto one of these least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!"
HEALTH CARE FOR ALL!!
Jesus will also say to everyone on his right hand, "One exception, if you supported killing a life before it had a chance to begin,then return and make a mends for everyone of them"
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